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Craig Smith

Robert,
That is the best article yet on VLJ's. I flew photo Diamond over Austin will you took pictices.

Craig Smith

Dan

I couldn't disagree more. Some computer industry giants would have succeeded.


If Larry Ellison would have tried, we'd have a VLJ running Oracle and Java on Sun Microprocessors connected by optical fiber. It would fly faster than an SR-71 and be licensed to land fee-free 24/7 at any major airport, including San Jose. Black and stealthy, it would scare the h**l out of anyone who dared compare it to their own rundown pile of aluminum and copper wire.

If Steve Jobs tried, we'd have a V-VLJ that would undoubtedly be the most beautiful flying machine ever imagined, let alone created, certified, and mass produced. It would work the first time, every time, and maintenance would just happen in the background while you were in the air. Like art in motion, it would be as fast as you want and as easy to fly as a Bonanza on a cool morning.

If Bill Gates would have tried, we'd have a VLJ with a Windows-based glass cockpit. It would fly almost like the other VLJs and could be purchased at convenient retail outlets in twelve different versions (personal, couple, small family, couple + dog, etc.). Per-incident satellite phone support from Bangalore would be a lifesaver, especially when you had to download a new device driver while at FL36 after discovering your GPS is incompatible with your Altimeter when flying Heading 290 through 292 and at FL36 or FL30.

John Ewald

Where can I read Brian Foley's original article?

Austin Schraff

You can design and build it, but unlike computers where any one can sign on and crash it without killing himself .... not the case with airplanes. Case in point .... check the poor safety record of the Cirrus despite the parachute ( a gimmick ?) and the the most advanced avionics available.

Ken Kelly

Like everything else in history, technology, competition and time will make VLJs a reality.

Joel L. Rosenlicht

When it came time for me to move up from a pressurized single (P-210) I looked at all the options. A piston twin, single engine turboprops, and light jets. In fact I was an early position holder in the Adam 500 a plane that at the time made a lot of sense when fuel prices were much lower. When Adam Aircraft went under, (I did loose my deposit)I decided a piston twin was not in my future. Jet fuel prices for a twin jet and operating expenses were way above my means. A VLJ was not available and you could see the prices were not going to be as advertised and the would be expensive to insure,operate,and maintain proficiency. It was pretty evident that VLJ was and unclear vision with a lot of developmental problems. I then looked at single engine turboprops. I wanted increased speed, reliability, jet fuel, and a more economical and easy plane to operate. Choices were Meridian, TBM, turbine Centurion or Bonanza. Aren't these really VLJ's with a prop. I decided to convert my P-210 to a Silver Eagle and it has been a great decision. It's basically a brand new airplane at what was an advertised VLJ price. I wish there would be more discussion and future development in single engine turbines. I think these are the real VLJ's.

Pilot Dave

Not possible? Sounds like the same logic presented about civilian space travel on a fraction of the cost. Burt sure proved them wrong with White Knight... maybe a better statement would have been "VLJ is not possible under today's business / technological conditions" allowing room for developments in the future. We are talking about an industry that is only 68 years old (or so - ie ME-262) Now that was a VLJ, in different environment - wish we had not destroyed most of them.

Bob Zajko

I never understood why anyone would want a VLJ when a fast single-engine turboprop like a TBM850 is much cheaper to operate, has more capacity, longer range, does not need to go to FL400 to get its published performance, can use shorter runways, and generally will arrive within a few minutes of the twin jet.

SkyMachines

When it was sub-$1M, I thought it was a great idea. At $1.5M, I didn't. Below 6000 lbs., it was a great idea (so charter operators don't have to collect federal excise tax). Over 6000 lbs., I didn't.

I still believe single-engine turboprops are a great alternative, but they are EXPENSIVE, except for the Piper Meridian, which is a 3-passenger plane and cruises at 250 Kts. And all but the Meridian are over 6000 lbs.

One of the keys to GA's survival is new engine technology that will allow turbine engines priced under $100K, and air taxis with one-way air fares equivalent to first class on the airlines. Until then, GA will continue to decline until we have what they basically have in Europe.

SkyMachines

"I never understood why anyone would want a VLJ when a fast single-engine turboprop like a TBM850 is..."

Two problems, from a passenger standpoint: 1.) It has a PROPELLER. The public voted on the jet vs. prop thing in 1958 and then several more times over the years. THEY WANT JETS. Period, the end. 2.) It has only ONE propeller. The public wants either another engine or a whole-plane parachute.

We have to start giving the PASSENGERS what they want, not the pilots.

I have said since 2003 that the Diamond D-Jet was the way to go, esp. when it was priced under $1M. At $1.8M, I'm not so sure.

p j atony

he whole point is someone tried to push the envelope. Who knows what this effort has stimulated in someone elses mind? Time will tell, and Monday morning quaterbacks never get to play mon Sundays.

Lou Meiners

I own Serial # 19 of the Embraer Phenom 100. I owned an MU-2 before that and it was as efficient of turboprop as one would ever own, 28,000 ft ceiling, 300kts, 1,100 mi IFR range. The direct operating costs of the Phenom are almost identical to the Solitaire, about $850 per hour; however it goes 25% faster. Unfortunately the purchase price is $2.5M more. Until you fly one, it is hard to understand the attraction; but regardless of the label, (I would not call a Phenom a VLJ), flying a jet is the best thing I have ever done.

Gene

Anyone old enough to remember Jim Bede and the BD-Jet will agree that the "VLJ" existed 30 years ago (it's also cast in a James Bond movie). It might have been better to try and expand on that concept than go with a downsized conventional airframe (albeit designed from the ground up).
I give Vern raburn a lot of credit however for being the maverick, the same way Bill Lear was. Someday someone will come up with the technology to make a true VLJ a reality. Unfortunately, it's a given that failures are part of the territory in aviation. Just look at the Beech Starship.

Windtee.comĀ®

True VLJs... some day... you'll see... and fly! =D

Rob O'Dell

This is a very silly conversation. Who cares what label marketers or for that matter journalists put on it? It is a small single pilot jet that takes a couple of people from point a to point b in an interesting way. Usually fast, but not necessarily so, usually high enough to get over most rotten weather, but not necessarily so, and usually fairly comfortably both for pilot and passengers because of the latest electronics available.
Price? Well, it's a lot more than most people pay for their home so the customer base is fairly limited unless some one can figure out how to make the air taxi concept actually work.
So VLJ, beginner jet, entry level jet, low cost plane with the coolest technology available all fit as labels.
Chill a bit and watch people work through the problems. Sooner or later (if not already), there will be the kind of break throughs necessary to make the low cost, single engine, high tech jet viable in the market.
It is the kind of thing that has happened over and over again no matter what the labels applied by journalists and marketers when dreamers keep trying.
I'd suggest that there is nothing wrong with getting excited by all of the efforts, great and small, success or sorta successful and not getting your knickers in a knot over a label. VLJ or not to VLJ. Duh...

Rob O'Dell

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