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Bryan Kutcher

I would like to support your argument and also raise a few questions, but first here are a few facts I found online:

Shipments of Airplanes Made in U.S. - 1978 17,811; 2006 3,146

Number of Active Pilots - 1980 827,071; 2006 597,109

That is approximately a 27.8% decrease from 1980 to 2006 in the number of active pilots in the U.S.

The amount of sport and recreational licenses in 2005 accounted for .1% of private pilots. In 2006, this amount jumped 180% to .5% of the total of private pilots.

In 1977, the cost of flying supposedly was $2,000; therefore, accounting for inflation as you did in the cost of a new airplane earlier in your blog, that same $2,000 has now become $6,920.21 in 2006. I know for a fact (because I actually kept track of this) that in order to get my private pilots license it cost somewhere around $5,500. Even still, many people are right around $6,000 today.

You are most certainly correct as to how much a new Skylane costs. But I would like to figure out how much these new avionics cost that are being put in the new airplanes and discount them.

It is definately a new world out there and a lot has changed since 1977. I agree that partnerships or shared ownerships are the way to go when moving up to bigger planes, but I do think that LSAs will at least cut down on the costs of getting a license because it is in these planes where we learn the basics of visual and instrument flight: straight & level, turns, climbs, descents, and the constant-speed series and constant-rate series, as well as wind correction. When moving up, we have a solid base to work off of and thus MAYBE less hours in these larger aircraft.

LSAs have already fueled growth in the general aviation industry, it is still early and consider that a majority of the pilots currently flying are between 40 and 70 years old (maybe 35) and learned themselves in 152s and 172s. It will take time, but I think that LSAs will definately continue to give general aviation what it needs to remain a fresh, cool thing to do (most importantly for young people).

I will dive into this subject further, I just wanted to show some facts I found and agree with most of what was said above in the first blog.

Happy Landings!


Mike Friedman

Unfortunately it seems to me that the LSA aircraft available today only go to prove the point that flying is a rich mans sport.

I purchased my used Piper Tomahawk 5 years ago for $13,000. It was a big decision for that price, and the thought of $100,000 and up for something slightly smaller, less comfortable and only marginally faster is impossible. Even after a top overhaul and certifying the plane for IFR I've spend maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the cost of an LSA plane. Assuming I was beginning my training, the extra few bucks for the standard private license is more than offset by the lower price of a good used aircraft.

I've only flown one or two LSA planes, but I found them very uncomfortable and could not see flying them any distance. (I'm 6'2", so maybe they're not as bad for some folks.) Also, the ones I have flown handle more like ultralights with crude controls and feel. Compared again to my Tomahawk which is roomy, fairly comfortable and flies pretty much the same as various 4 place Piper, Cessna and Beech products. I've flown my Tomahawk up and down the entire east coast from New Hampshire to Florida (and of course west to Oshkosh!) with two people and lots of baggage room. The LSA's didn't have room for my flight bag, let alone a weeks worth of camping gear for a typical Oshkosh or Sun 'n Fun trip.

While I have to admit that good used planes are becoming hard to find, they are still out there and the best entry for "Joe Average" into aviation.

People like me fly because we love to fly, not for business or any other "legitimate" reason. Until the LSA planes get down to the cost of nice new car (or used 20 year old Piper) they will do no good at all bringing new blood into aviation.

Happy Flying!

a.murgatroyd

One of the big attractions for LSA's is the reduced medical requirements for those who can no longer maintain a PPL medical. It has totally re-vitalised recreational flying in New Zealand, where literally hundreds of older pilots have returned to flying as a result, but the introduction of a new Rec. pilot licence might now see a return to the more standard GA aircraft, which can now be flown to LSA ( Microlight in NZ ) rules with the driver's lic. medical, viz. only day VFR, 1 pax. etc. Time will tell.

Mike d.

One thing that bugs me about the writers for Flying is that they all seem to have blinders on when it comes to general aviation.
The industry is dying, LSA's will not save it either.

With regards to Mr. Goyer, I respectfully disagree on his analysis. Mr. Goyer, speak the truth in your magazine! You need to be sounding the alarm, and not brushing over the decay with flowery articles on LSA's.

Regards.
KFRG via KDTO

Dave G

I doubt LSAs will fuel growth. Flight schools will by them but for $50K (half the price of a Skycatcher) a rec. pilot can by a Cub or Citabria and do some real recreational flying.

papabeagle

Well, my fear is that LSA will become the default standard because operating costs for larger aircraft will become prohibitive. When you look at the price of parts,maintenence, fuel, insurance, etc for larger aircraft the LSA's really look attractive. Of course, there is the capital cost of a new LSA, although there are quite a few used ones depreciating on the market for sale. Basically, I think we'll look a lot like europe in the near future, lsa's for all except the mega rich, who can fly a skylane or bonanza. My E33 will become beer cans, I'm afraid- Papabeagle

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