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Fast Fred

Ouch!! Seems ole Jack is Walmarting Cessna. Betchya the Chinese haven't read Edwards Demmings book or partner with their suppliers & double betchya the QA & rework costs on the Skycatcher are gonna be a bit more then anticipated...AD heaven or what!!

benjamin

I have to say I am deeply disappointed with Cessna's choice to produce the 162 in China. I'm also disappointed in the specs on the 162. What a weak useful load. What a really have to seriously question is Cessna's claim in this months' Flying magazine that if they produced the plane in the United States, it would cost $70,000 more. Who does Cessna think they are kidding with this statement? They might have gotten the writer of the story to believe it, but simple economics blows that figure completely away. Take this as an example.....There are several very well made european LSA out there, but let's stick with two that are from Germany (won't mention names) but they exceed Cessna's 162 in performance and price, while using the latest technology and not old 1930's rivets and continental engine. One even has foldable wings which could revolutionize and greatly reduce the cost of ownership by allowing the plane to be stored off field. Now these German planes are produced in Europe, shipped (extra cost) to the US, and still sell for less than the 162 even with the Euro/dollar exchange rate being as disparate as it is. The German companies already are already including in their sales price a premium of around 30-40% for this exchange rate. Now...imagine if they could build in the US and save that exchange rate as our labor and materials are cheaper when paying in US dollars, and there's no shipping/freight charge and insurance on the shipping. they would be selling their aircraft for at least a 30% discount if they built it here. And those are amazing planes. So how can Cessna start with a price that is the same if not slightly higher than the Germans and then claim..the only way they can sell at this price is by building it in China? the statement is ridiculous. Oops I also forgot to mention the sheer size difference between Cessna and the German LSA producers would ensure that Cessna's much larger size would also enjoy the economies of scale. (This means they can already produce the same item at a lower cost based on their sheer size and purchasing power) Come on Cessna, you're lying to your fan base. These kinds of statements are making me shy away from your company. And I've always been a Cessna lover.

by the way..I didn't know that Remos is building a plant here. If so, they will Blow Cessna away in price and performance. Watch out for Textron/Cessna ... they'll try to buy them!

Larry the Tech

Call Cubcrafters. Get a real plane, one that you can actually do things with, and it's made in the USA.

Mike

As much as I love FLYING magazine, the editorial and writing staff have no desire to question these political and economic issues surrounding this venture. Each article, no matter what the plane, is like an extended advertisement for that company. Flying needs to become more like Car and Driver, where they aren't afraid to let you know if a car is crap, in relation to others in its category. Call a spade a spade! Enough of this cheerleading; the readers are smarter than Flying gives them credit. It's bad enough that we have to read Richard Collins every month whining about the 'good ole days' of general aviation.

Leo McCloskey

Given aquisition Cessna 350/400, what is the "new" date(s) for next public exhibition of Cessna NGP. What is the release date of C182D Diesel?

Carlo

I refer to various comments regarding building the 162 in China. Contrary to what a few individuals have stated, I think its an excellent decision. Those who are concerned about quality control haven't a clue as to what is going on. Today there are thousands of products being produced in China, many of them with excellent workmanship and reliability. Granted, some mistakes happen, but nothing of any great importance. Certainly, the benefits far out weigh the disadvantages, one of which is PRICE !! The reality is.....building this aircraft in the US would cost three times as much. Sorry fellows.....I agree with Cessna....A GREAT DECISION....

Matt

Wow... I can't believe that some people support building an aircraft in China. I would love to see the lead and radioactive content in each aircraft. Also, does the US not realize that they are in a recession? Why eliminate more jobs and make China (Communist Country) richer?

C Fred Crawmer

Betchya if the Catcher was marketed by Walmart the price would be a heck of alot lower. Thinking about multinational manufacturing & marketing makes my hair hurt. We're producing Hondas, Benzs, Bimmers & Toyotas in the good ole USA for now me thinks because the Euro/Dollars exchange rates' stinks; yet similar LSAs from Europe are selling for the same as the China-Catcher. What's wrong with this picture....who's doing what to whom?!

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